Posted by: Eshi Otawara | January 8, 2008

Inverted icebergs and scammers in suits

I am so glad to see SL banking finally regulated. Kudos to Linden Lab on this decision, truly… We will (I assume) be seeing a few less bling-tards with ‘executive of all executives’ tags floating around. Not wanting to sound harsh, but the fact is- if one has never made it to be a banker in first life- they are not capable to be one in Second Life. If you are a shitty violinist who never made it even to a school band, successful streaming into Second Life 512 plot doesn’t make you a virtuoso. Case Closed.

It seems to be a growing phenomenon though. Somehow- the fact that we are connected via medium where we are represented in a form of pixels, makes some people act as if interactions between avatars(people) are less personal. That runs along the lines of being a person who breaks up with their boyfriend/girlfriend over the phone. :- You may leave whenever you desire (though you won’t leave because it is fun) and you can always avoid all responsibility for your actions via your non-verified avatar. :-/

So many people with shattered dreams trying to catch their 5 minutes of greatness creating illusions of being someone they are not- to the point of themselves and others actually believing in it- failing and saying ‘well it’s a game’ casting a horrible picture about Second Life to prospective community members and developers. While anyone has the ‘liberty’ to plaster CEO above their avatar name- freedom of expression does not come above duty of being truthful, mind you.

Not so long ago, a friend of mine was deceived by a SL ‘organization’, and kept in deceit for weeks, running his end of the job preparation properly, exchanging letters with them on the first life progress of the project, while these shit-bags apparently sat back at their computers with a bag of cheese puffs laughing at him- and finally when they saw this guy had done completed his prep-work and was ready to get the project introduced to the general public- they realized ‘woah, this dude is for real, let’s scoot while we can’. He got a note card from them which said ’sorry we are not really into it anymore, don’t attempt to contact us’. :-/ While my friend indeed was a bit naive to get self involved into a project where he didn’t anticipate this possibility and check everything that was to check before he got into it- that still doesn’t justify the rotten behavior of people who screwed him over. It also makes no sense to me that people like these guys have the ‘right’ to advertise their mock-up as a legit business, and even (this is so sad) be actually considered a business in Second Life just by being members of a few elite groups where nobody takes care of WHO the members are- rather the mere number of members and popularity of the group. There is no doubt Linden Lab should step into regulating businesses. If LL ways of regulating banks are too ‘American’ for some international residents, well, perhaps those should develop their own virtual world and have a virtual business there.  Any business owner (whether it is Second Life based business or first life based business) in Second Life should NOT be anonymous to Linden Lab. The ‘liberty’ to remain anonymous in Second Life and conduct business anonymously from the service provider which makes your business transactions possible is a load of SHIT. So instead of considering Linden Office Hour groupies some sort of SL social elite, perhaps we could indeed seek out actual professionals of all kinds within the community to form legit bodies which would deal with our community issues…

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Last week I ran into a guy who owns several sims and is quite ’serious’ about his ‘businesses’ on them. He saw my profile, saw my portfolio, told me I was god-sent because he needs a builder of my skill, showed me some blueprints and asked me for a quote. I gave him my per-hour requirement upon which he asked why do I think I deserve to be paid that amount, considering this is not ‘real life’. My argument was the mere fact that my back hurts the same after sitting and doing 8 hours of graphic design from home or a first life office, thus the wage (though a bit less then my first life wage would be) was very realistic for me. After that he turned to bullying me about my Croatian origin (which is in my profile) violently screaming at me in voice chat in front of a group of his co-workers repeatedly asking ” in WHICH LANGUAGE my ass wants to hear that this is a ‘ F GAME’ and there is no way I deserve to make more then 100 000 Lindens for nearly a full sim of a commercial build”. I told him: “In a business language, plese, not a bar language” and teleported out.

I suppose that’s all I could have done about this moron…

Some six months before this, I did a build for a group of legit first life corporations where one of the ‘partners’ (in SL- IBM’s Ansi Orochi ) decided to credit his first life colleague, (SL) PeaVey Voom, for my design and my build- telling me that I would be credited only in SL community- where it may matter to me, but not in “real life” because IBM doesn’t give a damn about artsy people like me who have no science degree- adding that he understands that in my ‘artist world’ truth and happiness are everything, but in his corporate world they sometimes have to bend truth to help their own.  A PDF presentation was made (and sent to my email) about the making of Eolus One, and my first life photo was right there, next to Ansi Orochi (in first life- Ansgar Schmidt of IBM) and Eolus McMillan (in first life-Oliver Goh of Implenia) which was to be presented as introduction to Eolus One project to any prospective partner/sponsor/whatever. But that PDF presentation was, obviously, a ’special’ version ‘for Eshi only’, since not long after that PeaVey’s picture appeared on the presentation displayed in-world, at the very little museum building I have built. That’s when a conversation with Ansi Orochi took place, and his points were made clear to me despite his broken English. Not seeing anyone who could actually help me with this (after all, had this been taken out in real court of law- it would have been a dispute between the big IBM guy’s word against the word of a fresh-out-of-college ‘artist chick’ who at the time lived in a small town in Louisiana over some ‘Second Life’ virtual game thing.) :-/ I was banned off the Eolus One Sim after raising the question about getting my credits for the build and that was it. I gave up on this for a long time, but managed to lose control over this matter at Dr.Dobbs Summit event (forgot the full name of event, sorry) and showed up and credited myself gracefully in main chat while Eolus McMillan was insisting on stream-in crediting himself and his buddy for my building. So, not only that I never got full credit in first life- I also did not get that ‘promised’ credit in Second Life.  Needless to say- just as I expected- a number of people I have met through this project NEVER spoke to me again. The strategy of making someone look like a lunatic by letting them speak the truth while you smile and count on your ’suit’ to save you- worked. To be honest, if I ever promise a full time paying position to a just widowed young woman who lost her house and lives in a room behind the kitchen of some people she barely knows just to not be homeless, then use her 18 hours a day to build and arrange a full sim of prims and then change my mind about hiring her after I realize she won’t bend over and agree to be used- I’ll use that strtegy myself. :)  Even though I was given a great tip on the initial commission for the building (which was obviously an expression of their satisfaction with my performance) in plain ‘fear’ of being punished with bad references for trying to not have them slide with crediting someone else for my work, I hesitated to list this project in my portfolio for quite a while. VIEW ORIGINAL BUILD HERE!. (Any difference from the images of the builds from my flickr and the present looks of the build in question are *not* my responsibility).

Come a few days ago, another 2 builders (!) who were brought in to develop the other sims for this jolly Eolus crowd of men in suits- did not get paid their agreed fee and were both kicked off the project with barely any explanation.

Not to whine, but really- I truly do what I love and give my best without swindling and scamming, just like many of us creative people, yet there is nobody to protect us from this kind of stuff. WHY?

Stuff like this needs to be exposed. Standards need to be set *somehow*. After all- it protects us- people who are serious about Virtual Worlds, and motivates the ones who are not so serious to, perhaps become more serious. Banks are just a step. Hopefully towards some sort of a rating system which would ban businesses with repetitive negative feedback off Second Life.

Cheers.

Responses

Way way too many people taking themselves too seriously when they find themselves in a leadership role, real or imaginary.

And, sadly, way too many people taking them seriously… or at their word.

Reputation matters, I guess, and when someone does you wrong - burn them. Burn them in a way that everyone sees the scar and knows that they’re capable of doing things that merit such a mark.

Forgive too much, and they’ll just do it again to someone else.

Words of wisdom.

I run meetings at the Business Exchange, and this is one of the things we have been talking about there.

If you have ideas about how builders and scripters can protect themselves from this sort of scamming by so-called reputable companies, please do come along and share.

The owners of Business Exchange, Dynamis plc and The Guild Network (who are good guys to do business with) have also been looking into this problem.

i can confirm it isn’t just nobody clients who hide behind their SL identity that pull this sort of thing… buying the land and retaining ownership until the bill is paid is a rich man’s option but about the only thing that keeps control in the builder’s hands… and even then you can’t assume you will get credit once the build has changed hands.

Eshi, for as much money as is exchanging hands here (or for as much work as is involved), does anyone consider (or do you) use an actual real-world contract? There’s no reason that just because the work exists in second life, the contract can’t be real.

I do agree I would do much better having someone to represent me without ripping me off themselves. (which, I believe, chances for that are slim as well).

She is completely true about her story with eolus… when i met EOLUS for the first time he was giving a good apearance about his personality about his way of working with builders and designers.

When i met eshi at eolus one, eolus was telling me to do some stuff . then eolus fire eshi and told me to make project for him then i do…. i worked with him and eshi was always telling me that this men is a swindler … i wasn t believe in eshi because eshi was for me like an enemy of ” My friend” eolus.

So i ignore her… and then… when i get fired and not payed as mentioned … i realize that all that eshi said was true… this men promise too many things.. money and and and… but in the end.. you will see nothing

The story is familiar you work hard producing a labor of love only to have the people who commissioned it not pay you, then treat you like a pariah. It is horrible how you were treated and this problem is not isolated to Second Life, it happens all the time in Real Life as well.

I wrote more about it and how to make certain you get your money over on my blog.

I’m sorry to hear all this, I truly am. I’ve seen it happen with my own eyes as well. What usually occurs is grand promises appealing to the ego are made, and when you’re in the full swing of production - you think nothing of it, you’re just so damn glad that you have a job and you are focused on doing it as well as you can.

After delivery is when you get dismissed, or even before - with your work not credited, just assimilated.

I think the only way to go is some kind of pre-payment option when taking on work, good-faith deposit, that sort of thing. At least then you’ll have something to show for it in the end.

My heart goes out to you, hopefully you can put it all behind you and in the process become stronger.

Maxx

I do appreciate all of your comments, but it seems to me that a lot of readers of this post falsely conclude that I was not paid..

I WAS PAID. TIPPED EVEN.

I was not credited for the work. That’s another pair of shoes.

For what it is worth. I have posted a link to this page and will pass the word around inside IBM. I am ashamed to work with anyone who would do this and have done what I can to raise this issue. The sad reality is that people–especially corporate people used to farming out work or rebranding–think if they contract and pay for it, that they can claim entire credit for it. Nike does this all the time. They find a product rebrand it and sell it with a Swoosh calling it ‘their creation.’ Ironically, when something goes wrong (as it did with the early watches) they disclose the supplier and blame them, but not if it is a successful product. The company and designers that _really_ created the product don’t get a mention, and most frankly wouldn’t expect it. I hate it as much as anyone.

I do know that there are many good projects and reputable engagements between IBM and in-world developers. I certainly don’t speak for any official capacity for IBM. I’m just an IBM developer that also likes Second Life. With over 3000 of us in there IBM is only now coming to terms with the organization of and scope of virtual worlds work. I do sincerely hope this is an exception, but I am sure we will see it crop up again.

Being a ‘trench’ developer (my IBM internal blog is called ‘In the Trenches’ ;) I see this all the time in my real job creating and coding all sorts of stuff. All the PMs and ’sponsors’ take the awards and cash and trips to congratulatory, back-patting conferences while the real architects and developers are lucky to get a bonus or mention. I’m glad you have reminded us all to self-protect. One of the reasons I like SL is I can make something for fun or profit and just sell it myself without the hassle. I don’t have to be a developer working for someone else if I don’t like.

I will GLADLY send out the unedited word to word transcript between mr. Ansi Orochi of IBM and myself to anyone who requests it.

Here’s a little ‘taste’ of the conversation (I would be the *You* in the dialogue):

“[2:48] Ansi Orochi: You have always tell the story in a way so everyone can get the best benefit out of it
[2:48] You: no- you tell the TRUTH
[2:49] Ansi Orochi: Eshi in your artist wold TRUST and HAPPYNESS is evertthing
[2:49] Ansi Orochi: Thats not the way business works

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Some might say- DUH!….however - the fact it is so common that liars run business it SHOULD NOT be a norm. It should not be ‘expected’ of IBM or any other large corporation just because they are ‘big and powerful’.

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